Video: 2010 Mustang GT vs 2010 Camaro SS vs 2009 Challenger R/T

April 1, 2009 by Jay
Filed under: Ford 

Earlier we wrote about an exhaust sound comparison test between the Mustang,Camaro and Challenger. Now MotorTrend does a performance test and handling test on the following cars and tells us what they like and don’t like about each car. I was very suprised the the 0-60 times on all of these cars. The Mustang GT is a lot faster now and suprisingly faster than the V8 Hemi Challenger. The Camaro SS does a 0-60 in an amazing 4.7 and is a steal at $30,095. These are all nice modern muscle cars and I’d be happy with any of the three. What do you think of the muscle cars?

View the performance numbers after the jump…

**2010 Camaro

0-60 mph - 4.7 seconds

1/4 Mile - 13.0@111 mph

Lateral Acceleration -0.90 g

Figure-8 course - 25.8@0.80 g

Braking -  60-0 mph -105 feet

**2010 Mustang

0-60 mph - 4.9 seconds

1/4 Mile -13.5@104.2 mph

Lateral Acceleration - 0.95 g

Figure-8 course -25.5 g @0.70 g

Braking -  60-0 mph - 108 feet
**2009 Challenger

0-60 mph -  5.1 seconds

1/4 Mile - 13.6@104.9 mph

Lateral Acceleration - 0.82 g

Figure-8 course -  27.5 @ 0.63 g

Braking -  60-0 mph - 135 feet

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63 Comments on Video: 2010 Mustang GT vs 2010 Camaro SS vs 2009 Challenger R/T

  1. Dartoyou1 on Fri, 24th Apr 2009 5:44 pm
  2. I think MOTORTREND has jumped the shark, comparing apples to oranges, why not a cobra, srt8, ss?closer on HP and Money?Editor ? Dushbag at large.

  3. Mike on Wed, 29th Apr 2009 1:05 pm
  4. A Mustang Cobra is no longer manufactured, and would not be in the same price range as these vehicles if it were. The 2010 Mustang GT ($28k) and 2010 Camaro SS ($30k) ARE in the same ball park. The sissy ’stang gets smoked! How’s “dem” apples…moron.

  5. Jamie on Fri, 1st May 2009 9:39 pm
  6. Camaro just looks like it will drive like a boat b/c of it’s 3800lb + weight. My ‘00 Z28 was a boat and this one looks like a bigger one. I don’t care if it’s fast….a big fast boat does nothing for me. The ‘Stang is a little slower but it least it feels a bit more compact.

  7. Joe on Thu, 7th May 2009 1:45 am
  8. I thought they said the camaro SS is $39,000! Not $30.000! OHH and how many cubes did the Camaro have compared to the little 4.6 in the mustang? It should be faster with almost 110 more horses. This is not a fair comparison. Maybe the 5.4 instead of the 4.6 would be a better comparison. I’m so sick of people saying the mustangs are slow. Ford haters don’t thinks of the fact that its only 281 cubes. Thats a small V8. Lets give the mustang 100 more horses and then compare apples to apples!

  9. Nelson on Wed, 13th May 2009 11:22 pm
  10. I don’t trust MOTORTRENDS 0-60 evals. Get a second opinion. The camaro weighs in at nearly 300 pounds heavier than the stang’. That’s not an excuse, but considering the MT people would have us believe a 450-hp Alpha Romeo, at just under 3700 lbs, and only 100 lbs heavier than the GT, jumps to 60 mph in 4.6 seconds, only three tenths of a second faster than what the Ford supposedly posted according to their assessment (4.9 seconds), I just don’t buy it. At 3550 lbs, 20 lbs lighter than the stang, the new maxima, with 290-hp takes nearly six seconds to get to 60 mph. I would be inclined to believe the mustang’s 0-60 track times are in this range, realistically.

  11. for camaro on Sun, 17th May 2009 11:19 pm
  12. find me a 2010 5.4L mustang retard. and no he didnt say 39, he said 30,995. go back and listen. and how is it not a fair comparison?? also, the srt8 starts off at around 42k.. atleast 10k more than the stang and camaro. i could understand you all being all pissy if they compared the ss with the v6 stang BUT THEY DIDNT. these cars are in the same ball park. dont bitch at chevy for giving the camaro more horses. bitch at ford for not giving more!!. what i’m trying to figure out is how they clocked the stang at under 5 seconds.. wtf?? and the stang isnt slow.. it’s just slower than the camaro. it always has been. either way, everyone needs to stop trying to hate on each others american sports car before they all disappear and these imports take over! already bad enough they have the damn lancer evo that can take on vettes. lets complain about that!

  13. Big John on Tue, 19th May 2009 11:35 pm
  14. You’re retarded if you think Chevy will ever sell a Camaro SS for 31K. I stopped by the local dealer the other day, and was told the first three they got in went for 7 grand over sticker. They were all between 45 and 46,000 dollars. You can tell the idiots that write these articles anything, doesn’t mean it’s true. At that price you can buy a GT500 and just watch the others disappear in the mirror.

  15. admin on Tue, 19th May 2009 11:41 pm
  16. Big john-You’re right. Right now the demand is high for the Camaro and they are selling over price close to about $40k. But once hype dies down, you can get them cheaper. You could even get a Nissan 370z for about $30k and that thing does 0-60 in under 5 also.

  17. for camaro on Wed, 20th May 2009 12:04 am
  18. big john, have you taken economics? remember the concept of supply and demand? so obviously cost is going to be more right now while demand is extremely high, but just like admin said, once hype dies down, so will price. yes, when gt500 comes out it will be SLIGHTLY faster, but it’s also atleast 15k more than msrp camaro ss. for that cost, id rather get a corvette

  19. ng on Thu, 21st May 2009 11:42 am
  20. “and the stang isnt slow.. it’s just slower than the camaro. it always has been.”

    Actually, for the last 8 years, the Mustang has been faster. Why? Obviously it’s because the car actually sells and the company that makes it, believes in it…. GM (soon to be bankrupt) is notorious for pulling the plug on vehicles. If you disagree, I have a 1983 Corvette to sell you…

    And oh yeah, for the for first time, you can buy a variety of Mustangs off of the showroom floor that are MUCH faster than any Camaro you can buy. One being the offerings from Shelby. The Camaro can’t touch a GT500 (500hp), which you can get for $36k at Galpin Ford in L.A. There’s no chance in hell it can touch a GT500KR (550hp) or a GT500 Super Snake (600hp or 725hp versions) for that matter. Of course, the Corvette ZR1 can’t even keep up with a 725hp Mustang… Then you have Steeda, Roush, etc. as well…

    Anyhow, as much as I dig the new Camaro’s looks (put not the plain black plastic interior and ugly instruments), I can’t see myself buying a car from the Government. Same for the heavy-as-sin Dodge, which can’t even keep up with a 4.6 Liter V8… For my money, it’s Ford FTW.

  21. Joe on Thu, 21st May 2009 1:10 pm
  22. This new Camaro still won’t last. It died once! and it will die again. As for the Dodge, I love the look, love the motor, hate the trannys. The Mustang has been around for 46 years, and will be here another 46 if the economy ever turns around. And I didn’t say that they made a 5.4 tang, but that it would be a way better comparo. All the big three have the technoligy to make over two maybe even three HP per cube, it’s just that they all take differant approches to what goes into production. If all companys made a 427, I can almost gaurentee that they would be very close on #”s. No replacement for displacement. Not a fair comparison. End of story!

  23. for camaro on Thu, 21st May 2009 7:10 pm
  24. ok, you talk about th?e zr1 cant touch a super snake.. but can a super snake touch the lingenfelter vette? NOPE.. and yeah you could get a gt500 for close to 40k.. a used one. i live in houston and have not seen a new gt500 for 36k. maybe you were looking at a gt with all the decals on it. i dont think you understand that it size of the engine doesnt mean it’s faster. like in my post earlier, you have lil gay lancers fucking with vettes. stock stang is whack, stang gt500, super snake, roush, all are mean ass cars. i would love to have one. but i wouldnt spend that kind of money on one when i could get a better car. if you are a die hard stang camaro what ever fan, then go ahead and spend that kind of money. if i were to get a camaro, it would be the v6 because the power is decent and it gets bad ass gas mileage! i wouldnt spend 30+k for the ss only because i dont have that kind of money! and the challenger has been out for how long? ive seen maybe… a total of 10 in HOUSTON, the 4th largest city, and that’s including the challengers i saw at my step dads chrysler dodge jeep dealership. i would love to drive all 3 but if i were to get one now, i would get the camaro. funny how the anti camaro anti stang has resurrected!

  25. Jared Nevil on Thu, 28th May 2009 9:06 am
  26. Well i have been a die hard ford Fan all my life… and i have owned countless mustangs and asure you in the day when camaros did run the street they were always seeing my tail lights…(fact) camaros have always had larger motors… the 5.0 302 smoked the 5.7 350 and as soon as you see both of them on the streets this year you will see the 4.6 smoking the 6.2!! OH and go ahead and look at the prices again… the v6 camaro is going to cost you 32k…. same as stiker for the gt… and the loaded ss/rs camaro is going to cost you 42k…. I just cant wait to see the 2010 ford taurus SHO ho family car smoke the ss/rs camaro!!!

  27. xtheianx on Tue, 2nd Jun 2009 10:33 pm
  28. oh ok now your just stupid!!!! all of you! I bought a 2010 camaro v6 for $27,000 loaded! I show you my sticker. Oh yeah did I forget to tell you about my new 2010 2ss Camaro 6.2 V8??? Which I bought for $38,000! I show you that sticker too! and you stang fans well i hoop a super charger, twin turbo, ect…. on the camaro 2ss. Then yeah its going to be pushing at lest 525hp. So really guys think before you speak.

  29. scott on Wed, 3rd Jun 2009 4:50 pm
  30. the zr1 is slower than a mustang? someone please find a nurburgring time and tell me.

  31. scott on Wed, 3rd Jun 2009 4:55 pm
  32. and jared if fords performance car {mustang} cant keep up with a camaro for the same price i doubt a heavy sedan v6 can

  33. Jamie on Fri, 5th Jun 2009 12:51 pm
  34. Ok….so here’s my take. I went to my local Chevy dealer a month ago after I had already special ordered my 2010 Mustang GT. So this is the info I got from them:

    SS Fully loaded was 40k and change with an auto and 39k with manual. You know, if you want leather.

    I paid 32.7k for my Premium GT with track pack. Can’t really make an argument that’s not quite a big price difference between the 2 cars.

    And to the person who made the comment about the FRPP Mustang not keeping up…whoever drove that car CAN’T DRIVE. How in hell can you in your right mind say a 315 hp GT is going to run a 13.5 1/4 mile and a 430 hp mustang is going to run 13.4. Give me a break.

    Keep in mind, I could spend the price difference between my car and the SS my dealer was going to sell and buy a supercharger and that SS will be seeing my tail lights all day. Chevy screwed up the first Camaro and they did it with this one. It’s over priced, it’s heavy, and the interior looks like it came from a 15,000 car. Who cares if it’s faster. I’d rather not drive a car that makes me want to puke when I look at the horrid interior.

  35. Snakebite on Wed, 10th Jun 2009 7:55 am
  36. Wow! Comparing a heavyweight champion muscle Mustang to a featherweight sport Vette, now THAT is the way a retard would think. Can’t win with the Camaro card, so decides to throw the joker. And Chrysler/Dodge/Mopar, what are they thinking, building motors with huge cubes and low power? nevertheless, the price tag, waaay higher than it should. The Challenger looks fine, but is overpriced.

  37. Stingy on Wed, 10th Jun 2009 8:00 am
  38. xtheianx.. congratulations on your 2 imaginary Camaro SS’s.. hope you can find a donor Chevy for your spare parts in a junk yard a couple of years from now, and good luck when you try to sell it. It would make a good lawn ornament.

  39. Dr. Jones on Sat, 20th Jun 2009 12:01 pm
  40. You realize that with the SS Camaro being well over 100Hp faster than the Mustang GT its equivalent to a light-heavyweight going the distance with a heavyweight and losing a split decision. What did the heavyweight really prove? Not much. And that’s what happend here. The SS Camaro is 100HP faster and yet its quarter time was only .5 seconds faster. If you’re only getting a half a second difference from 100 horse, I would have to ask what are you’re really doing with that extra 100? In terms of a quarter mile time-to-horsepower ratio, if there is such a thing, the Mustang really does more with less.

    And before I’m improperlly qualified as a Camaro hater, or Mustang lover….I’m totally indiffernt, I love all three of the Muscle Cars. It just seems to me straight from the numbers, that if the Mustang is doing a half a second slower time with significantly less power, then something is clearly amiss on the Camaro’s end.

  41. Big E on Mon, 22nd Jun 2009 11:03 am
  42. Guess what… The 2010 Shelby is only .4 or so seconds quicker than the Camaro SS, with over 100hp separating the two.

  43. jason on Mon, 6th Jul 2009 7:35 pm
  44. i am ashamed to see this test put the real callenger srt to the test agaist the best that ford and chev has then give me the numbers . i am so tired of seing peaple compare cars that are not the same class then run the low model down good luck getting real reviews that way…. it makes us all sad in the auto world.. thanks for your time…….

  45. harry harry on Wed, 15th Jul 2009 9:21 pm
  46. well guys i have owned both stang and camaro i like both cars, however i have had better luck with the chevy ,the fords i have owned had tranny problems and the chevys had none. i like the look of the camaro and i am going to get one, just not right now, the jackass dealers are over charging because of the demand so i am going to wait until the hype is over and get one at the regular price, i went to the dealership and these sacks of shit told me straight up that they are charging 2000/7000 dollars over retail! i asked him when prices would be back down to the norm, this jackass told me to see him in two years well i am going to make a purchase just not from his dealership.

  47. Steve Mahon on Fri, 24th Jul 2009 9:16 pm
  48. All you Ford ( Found On Road Dead ) fans really are a bunch of wimps….especially that Jared Nevil guy. What the hell are you smokin?…I had an 89 5.0 litre mustang…and yes it was a fun car. I had a 5 speed with a set of headers on it….and when I raced 5.7 litre camaro’s and firebirds…I saw their tailights. The mustang has ALWAYS been slower than the camaro. You are a real dreamer thinking a 4.6 will even come close to the 6.2 litre camaro. …and the guy that thinks the GT500 will beat the Camaro is a dreamer too. The Chevy 6.0 and 6.2 litre engines are the best motors made. I have a 6.0 litre 2006 Vette with a 6 speed. My buddy has the GT 500….and my Vette thumps his ass every time. I agree the Roush Mustang is a sweet mustang….but it is no match for the 7.0 litre Z06. I know that for a fact…because my brother has the Rousch Mustang and it gets it’s ass kicked by the Z06. Come on guys….there all sweet cars….but let’s be realistic! Chev rules…always has….always will…even if GM goes tits up….there are more Chevy muscle cars than Ford or Mopar.

  49. andrew on Sun, 9th Aug 2009 12:14 am
  50. steve mahon i dont like u u little fuckin bicth ur vett sucks cock ur dreaming if u dont think the shelby GT 500KR will not beat the new camaro because it would ive seen it done i dont care what anyone eles has to say i seen it and as for ur z06 vett the shelby would tear that apart to if it was not for the weight differance the vett would beat it only and im saying only because of the weight differance the hp numbers dont lie z06 505 hp shelby gt 500 535 hp u want to talk about beasting ur vett go find a FORD GT and he will fix u up dumb ass even better if u can find somone who has one a FORD GT X1 thats 750 hp fagit lol u and ur vett can suck my ball sack lol im build a fox body stang and puting a 351 in it bring ur 350 camaro and come see me after thats done bicthes lol

  51. andrew on Sun, 9th Aug 2009 12:19 am
  52. i want to fuck a chevy in the ass but all i could find was ur mom

  53. andrew on Sun, 9th Aug 2009 12:20 am
  54. i think the big three should just take the war to the gay ricers

  55. andrew on Sun, 9th Aug 2009 8:50 am
  56. hey everyone, i’m sorry for writing what i did. i’m only 14 and dont know what the fuck im talking about. i sucked my dads dick last night and i actually liked it, so it made me a little scared. i also had a 3way with my mom and dad so yeah. i really dont know what the fuck i’m talking about. like when i said the hp dont lie. that really doesnt make sense. i know i know. i’m a fuckin retard that is still in school. i was too tired last night to use punctuation marks. and my dick is really small.. i think it’s because i’m a dick loving hermaphrodite. i apologize everyone. let me get back to fucking my mom and dad

  57. Jared Nevil on Mon, 10th Aug 2009 12:20 pm
  58. Steve Mahon!… been a while but if you ever make it back to this forum!!! please email me at jnevil2000/At yahoo dot com. and if you want to put your money where your mouth bring that corvette! I still own my 89 lx notch back…OH and i hold the tittle to it!! we can see how bad your corvette is!! youll find out your the laughing stock when my LX smokes your 12 sec quarter mile!! LOL!! Fag!!

  59. Jared Nevil on Mon, 10th Aug 2009 12:25 pm
  60. Oh and one more thing for you chevy queers!! the results are out on the family sedan!! Taurus SHO 13.5 quarter mile times!!! Minnor mod work and my wife will wax your 6.2 liter on the way to the local JCpenny!!

  61. Dave on Sat, 15th Aug 2009 12:49 pm
  62. Z06 11.7 vs ford gt 11.2 Mustang Shelby 12.2 vs SS 13.0 RS slow vs Mustang Gt slow Zr1 11.3 Supersnake 11.6 They are nice cars but, get your facts right….

    This was just bad……Test the fast Mustang with the fast camaro and the slow Camaro with the slow Mustang who cares who wins maybe it will send a message back to the Auto Makers. Beside we are not testing trunk space so why are we testing price the are all under $50.000 beside the Vettes and Supersnake/Ford GT.

  63. Noah on Thu, 20th Aug 2009 1:38 pm
  64. Realistically speaking who is going to buy a 2010 Camaro and soup the shit outta it to make it the badest car in the land? Of all the 2010 Camaro buyers what percentage of them actually follow through with that? Few to none.

    With that said lets talk about money here. (For the sake of those who are in fact going to make there Camaro into Bumblebee ;p ) How much more would it cost to do that versus buying a GT and doing the same.

    The Mustang is far more easier to work with. Get a mechanic to look under the hood of both vehicles, The Mustang is a true muscle car with quality materials and design which is why Chevy is going out of business. Ford gives better product for less cost and the company’s success clearly shows.

    Chevy makes you pay through the nose for “BIG” vehicles when in all reality its just a bunch of fluff.

    If your thinking about purchasing a Camaro, you must accept the terms of Chevy struggling right now. The company’s success also dampers your long term success and relationship with your car.

    On the other hand if your a die hard Camaro fan and wanna smoke stock GT’s then go for it. I encourage you to buy a Camaro and hold true to your dreams and beliefs.

    Sure I have a 2010 GT and sure perhaps my opinion is slightly biased, however I chose the GT over SS due to my points given.

    Let a SS Camaro Smoke me on a straightaway for now, however when i add performance parts under my hood ill be the first to have my plates say SS Killer.

    With that said, long live Ford and long live Mustangs!
    :)

  65. Big E on Sat, 22nd Aug 2009 3:12 pm
  66. To Noah…

    Maybe you have turned a blind eye to what is happening as far as Camaro buyers are concerned. There are VAST options for these cars, visit Livernois’s website to see for yourself, as there are many that have already been modded. I’m sure there are more modded Mustangs out there, but do you honestly think the 2010’s are being modded more than 2010 Camaros?

    And what makes the Mustang easier to work on? Performance-wise they NEED more work, due to lower hp and tq numbers. Pound for pound, the LS motors have it all over the Mod motor, but both can be made into monsters.

    A couple grand is hardly “through the nose”, but you get a car with higher capabilities. And I may be biased, I’ve owned several GM products (Formula, T/A, GTO, Z06) but never a Form. Did rent an 07 stang once, and was not impressed. My GTO was modified by MTI in Houston. It was normally aspirated, with around 550hp, and was a blast to drive! GM has yet to let me down, and I will continue to buy their products.

  67. Big E on Sun, 23rd Aug 2009 11:49 am
  68. Late Model Racecraft, not Livernois.

  69. F#%$#$ over rebuilt Dodge(FORD) on Thu, 3rd Sep 2009 10:32 pm
  70. I am a fan of both GM and Ford because I have owned both. I will say that there is a huge difference when it comes to the ride and detail of both manufacturers. I owned a Chevy first and then a Ford…both were good, but then I noticed that Chevy goes above and beyond with making the ride more smooth, less jerky, and interior and exterior more appealing to the eye than Ford and now I am back into owning 2 Chevy’s. Ford has done a wonderful job, but you gotta also think…Chevy quit making the Camaro for almost the last 8 years.

    For those of you saying that it is too expensive, where the hell are you guys shopping at? I was just at the local dealership yesterday and was admiring the camaro SS for $32,735(picture to prove it). It is called supply and demand, you never buy a vehicle if the body style and or the engine has been changed the first year it comes out, there is always something that goes wrong or there is always something that has been done to improve it the following years.

    My question is why do all the reviews point to the V-6 Camaro as being one of the top cars of the year, obviously they did something right there! As far as those who question the reviews by motortrend, car and driver, etc. That is their job, they have obviously been doing it a while and have driven Numerous cars every year and are good at what they do including driving. They have a huge amount of experience , and are technically sound when it comes to the mechanics of the vehicles. They don’t just drive them, they test every aspect and look at everything. When you are a person that does that for a living and has a few years experience and are a technical expert, then maybe people will listen to your thoughts.

    Why does it sound like all the ford guys are hating the camaro so bad…are you afraid that your beloved “Mustang” is eventually gonna get beat?!?! Sorry but there is no lack of competition anymore, the camaro is back and it sounds like the V-6 package has more than impressed a lot of the reviewers. Kinda sad, I am not a V-6 muscle car fan, but it apparently showed the mustang GT that it isn’t as badass as everyone thought.

    As far as the “family sedan waxing the 6.2….” So you say! Remember, you said “minnor mods”, get a life, if you are even modding a ford taurus, you are definetely a loser. Not to mention, ford has had their stangs and taurus out for a while and of course the longer you have a vehicle in production, the more mods will be available, now with that said, I am sure your “minnor mods” have been more than “minnor.” Did you ever think…the reason mods are out their is because the manufacturer can’t make it better UNTIL some other company does it better. Sure you can mod a camaro, but why would you when you can get it straight from the manufacturer. With all the mods put into some cars, you might as well pay full price for top of the line model just to get the same result.

    Bragging rights…hands down to Camaro, chevy did it right, because they quit production of the camaro knowing that once it is brought back, they could jack the price, because the love of the car. Ever notice, that more women drive mustangs than men:) and more men drive camaros then women!

    Fuck all you camaro haters with a sand paper DICK! Keep up the hate, this makes me happy!

  71. F#%$#$ over rebuilt Dodge(FORD) on Fri, 4th Sep 2009 12:28 am
  72. You guys that are camaro fans, just check out the sales…you guys should really checkout your own “stang” websites and see what other stang fans are saying. Kinda funny, Here you go, click on this website!

    http://mustangforums.com/forum/mustang-news-concepts-rumors-and-discussion/516572-mustang-gt-vs-2010-chevrolet-camaro.html

    Keep it real!!!

    LOL!

  73. Joesph A. Dirte on Fri, 25th Sep 2009 11:50 am
  74. Look at the TRAP speed of the Camaro. Mustangs have always been able to launch well due to the SRA in the rear and good gearing but god forbid that lethargic pile is ever caught in a freeway race with the Camaro. It will FREIGHT TRAIN the S197.

    Mustang fans just keep praying your beloved Coyote motor myth actually comes to fruition.

  75. Chad on Tue, 29th Sep 2009 5:53 pm
  76. here is something for all you FORD “F***ing Owner’s Really Dumb” fans. my father is gm fan… unfortunately he is also a business man and owns 4 fords “he says for future profit” he owns 3 2006/2007 gt500″s 2 are the numbers matching Hertz racers 1 reg and 1 convertable, and he also is an owner of a new Shelby. now my first point i wish to make is the shelby… why is this car even called a production car? its NOT shelby SVT means Secial Vehicle Team…it is NOT even a regular ford!!!! its like taking the vette z06 and getting the twin superchargers installed and calling it a production car!!! NO WAY… cant even use that car for comparison or the ford snake, etc. unles you allow chevy camaro owners to install superchargers on the perfect LS motor and let them go at with the shelby! 2nd her is the fun part. i drove my dads gt 500’s “i cant touch the shelby but would love to” and i am sorry to say i am really not that impressed with them… im not, i drive his cars quite often and I dont get any “wow” looks from other drivers… there is just to many of them around and they look like normal cars to honest. camaros look sweet with the rims and definately super advanced styling concepts. now for performance.. i am sure i am gonna some jack a88 saying its a no brainer… but folow my whole story please. the one thing i enjoy most is cruising to the car shows next to my dad who is usually driving his gt500 convertable “never really takes the shelby out” and him and i racing from stop lights… well funny thing is the looks he gets of disgust and me of “wow” since i drive what looks like a mild piece of junk pickup truck a 1979 chevy to be exact… but in all honesty its a “special” motor. an 0010 block with the 010 and 020 stampings “strongest 350 4 bolt block you can find” which is now a staggering 383 stroker motor… and i love beating the crap out of my dads gt500’s… which i DO most every time!!!! by almost 6 car lenghts on an average light to light race. now the other day i saw my FIRST ss camaro in person it was silver with the racing stripe and looked men as hell… really like them. well i gave the driver a nod “he looked and was like ya ok with big grin” well at the light he launched and so did i but i guess he figured i was joking until i passed him like nothing so at the next light he knew i was serious “and oh so loud with my straight pipes :)” so light went green and we both took off… I did win but i have to say that ss gave me more of a fight than my dads gt500’s ever could.. so my opinion from experience is that a stock ss camaro would win against a stock gt 500 in a straight up street race. that ss was only about 2 car lengths behind me compared to my step dads 6. and the convertable is even lighter than the coupe gt500 so YES i say camaro wins. and yes my step dad will be purchasing the new ss too. oh and price for both my step dads hertz numbers matching gt500’s was 47k each.

  77. James on Tue, 29th Sep 2009 8:01 pm
  78. Ok, you Camaro fans seriously need to get over yourselves. Saying “the shelby has a supercharger” is a ridiculous argument. Your car has a big motor with high compression, the Ford motor is small with low compression. They both make big power, in their own way.

    Anyone who races on the highway is an immature idiot. Race at the track, that’s what counts. Racing on the street is a good way to get your car impounded and/or kill someone trying to act like a badass.

    To the comment before mine, if the SS gave your old little truck more of a run than a GT500, then all I have to say is your dad can’t drive. That GT500 can walk all over that SS.

    Oh, and for what it’s worth, the SS Camaro is about as fast as a 2003 Mustang Cobra, so as far as I’m concerned, your new car is as fast as a 6 year old Mustang, and keep in mind, these built and blown motors in the Mustangs can easily be putting out 500 - 600 HP.

    The SVT Cobra is a production car. The car is built on the same assembly line with every other Mustang and the hand built engine is put into it at FORD, it is not aftermarket. You are obviously oblivious if you think that SVT cars aren’t production vehicles, and probably an idiot sitting at home jealous because you can’t afford that 4000lb SS camaro because every dealer is marking them up to 40K, so you sit at home like a loser and rip on other people’s cars.

  79. xtheianx on Wed, 30th Sep 2009 11:43 am
  80. James,
    the base MSRP for the Ford shelbly GT500 is $45,000. Ok so where I live you can walk down to the chevy and buy a 2010 2SS/RS camaro for $39,989. Lets throw a supercharger in the camaro and then lets talk. Then the camaro would be pushing 500-600hp. You know what i think Chevy is starting to make one of those its called the Z28! Or the 2010 Hennessey HPE550 Supercharged Chevy Camaro SS. But hey you want to keep on talking about how fast the Supercharged mustangs are we can talk about the Camaros and Im sure the Challenger fans can get in this convo too!

    ya ford has a small engine for a big race but it holds up good but just isnt that good stock!

  81. James on Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 2:02 pm
  82. Yea, put a supercharger on it. That’s easier said than done. By the time you spend all your money doing everything you need to in order to put that on, you’ll have spent more than you would have on a shelby, and the shelby can squeak out much more power with a pulley and tune, which BTW is under $1000. And the Z28 won’t be out for at least 2 more years, if GM is still in business.

  83. Jared Nevil on Fri, 2nd Oct 2009 3:33 pm
  84. Well as of to date all I can speak of is FACTS! I just recently bought a 09 GT since I bought it I put a few w bolt on’s! Under drive pulleys, mass air kit, flow masters, Hurst shifter, solid motor and tranny mounts and a set of 4:10 rear gears… oh an aluminum drive shaft! I bought the GT for 26K that’s taxes included! The bolt on parts run me around 900$… FACT! I took it to the local track 2 weekends ago to a grudge match race! Lined up with you special 2ss/rs and beat it! Not by much and I only have 27k invested! Oh and no lies here I do have m/t streets! But what ever!! I still handed it to the 2ss/rs… Fact!! And the best thing about it I could still afford to haul it over to Hennessey and have them put a turbos system on it for less than the cost of buying the 2ss/rs! Hennessy does work for everyone!! Guess you haven’t heard of Hennessy’s ford 5.4 liter that puts out over 1000hp!! So comparatively speaking 2ss/rs is over rated!! If it sold comparably to the GT then you would be on top but until you drop 10k off the price you story dot hold water to my facts!

  85. mike on Sun, 4th Oct 2009 2:59 pm
  86. well guys. both cars are great. but lets look at the figures…. the camaro has been outselling the mustang for 4 straight months.. and as for gt500kr’s smoking an ss…. guys just think about how much more youre paying for a mustang that isnt that much better than a camaro. the money i could put into getting a gt500kr i can put into suping up the camaro, making it faster, and still having alot left over. by and by both cars are awesome. i love the late 60’s mustangs. but the camaro beats the mustang in appearance, performance, and so much more. over all i feel it is a better car all around. seriously. the engine doesnt matter. so what if chevy gave the camaro a bigger engine. who gives a crap they did it and it doesnt cost much more than getting a mustang. how is it that v6 camaros put out almost the same as gt’s????? no argument. end of story

  87. mike on Sun, 4th Oct 2009 3:00 pm
  88. oh and btw for all of you saying that gt’s arent comparable with ss’s get a life. your the same guys that want to compare gt500krs with ss’s. as far as im concerned. mustang gets its ass handed to it by most camaros. very few exxceptions unless you want to pay $20,000 or more to get a high performance one.

  89. ss killer on Sun, 4th Oct 2009 7:02 pm
  90. Just like a chevy wuss,put up a 426hp camaro up against a 315hp mustang.Anybody is just dumb for bragging about that.Mustang’s have alway’s ruled the street’s and are alway’s going to,just get used to it bowtie boy’s.NEXT.

  91. James on Wed, 7th Oct 2009 8:25 pm
  92. Well let’s see here, the Camaro may have out sold the Mustang for the last four months….but how many Camaros did Chevy sell from 2003 - 2008? ZERO. How many Mustangs did Ford sell during that same time period? Over half a million. The Camaro will probably outsell the Mustang for a while, because all the fanboys haven’t had the ability to buy one for the last 7 years, so that only makes sense. Talk to me again in a year about sales numbers after all the hype is gone. Styling is all a matter of opinion, I think the Camaro is overdone and flamboyant and will go stale real quick, as all “stand out” designs do quickly. As far as price, you can’t argue with that. Mustangs are selling for far cheaper than the Camaros. Sticker may be close, but the Mustangs have rebates and the Camaros are all marked up. Oh, and as far as the Camaro beating the Mustang in performance, the ONLY thing the Camaro beats the Mustang in that category is a straight line. The Mustang out performs the Camaro in the turns and pulls better Gs on the skid pad and runs through the slalom faster, all with 110 less HP. These new Camaros are barely beating numbers put down by the 02 SS Camaros, which is sad IMO considering the big jump in HP. And quite amusing how more than one mag has rated the Mustang the best overall value and the Mustang was also rated best muslce car. Guess that’s why Ford is still in business and GM went bankrupt and is now operating under our tax dollars.

  93. James on Wed, 7th Oct 2009 8:28 pm
  94. Oh, and I’d also like to point out, these new Camaros are only as fast as a 6 year old Mustang Cobra, just remember that the next time you want to start running your mouth about how great the car is….that it only ties a car that is 6 years old. The 03 Mustang Cobra was running very low 13s easy, with less HP also. Guess that 4000 lb heffer of a Camaro needs to go on a diet so it can actually perform! Tsk tsk GM, they knew what the benchmark was going into the muscle car war and didn’t even beat it. How sad.

  95. Big E on Thu, 8th Oct 2009 11:17 pm
  96. Automobile Magazine got the sons of Parnelli Jones and Mark Donohue together to track the Camaro and Mustang at New Jersey Motorsports Park a couple of months ago. If you look at some of the numbers on both cars, the Mustang pulled slightly better G’s in some turns, but the breaking performance of the Camaro straight embarassed the Mustang! And look at the 0-140mph times: 21.7 vs 30.1… that’s what’s sad. And, the Camaro turned in a quicker lap time too. And how ’bout that 14sec 1/4 mile time for the Mustang, how does that compare to an 02 Z28? Not very good. And everybody knows that Ford was sand-bagging on the 390hp rating of the Terminators.

    And to the poster that said that Mustangs have always ruled, stop smokin’ that sticky-icky. It’s been a back and forth battle over the years, but the Camaro’s been on top more than the Mustang my friend, especially the 4-gen.

  97. Dennis Seabolt on Wed, 14th Oct 2009 9:24 am
  98. I have a 2010 Mustang GT and ran it down the track here in Maryland and the first time it turned 13.65 at 112 mph. the next week I went back out with the flowmaster exhaust and turned a 13.20 at 114 mph. Not bad for a show room stock car>>>

  99. Tony Babbit on Wed, 14th Oct 2009 6:24 pm
  100. The Mustang is better looking, more fun to drive, and apparently a better built car. (According to the forum on Camaro5 website). The Camaro has an exaggerated, cartoonish look to it that will be getting old real fast once a bunch of dirty, dented up mullet driven ones begin appearing on the road. What on earth is that big ass on that car all about? Anyway, it’s not even truly an American car. Built in Canada, components from Australia? The interior looks like it was designed for 17 year old “Transformer” fans. Tacky, phony knobs, goofy lights, and have you noticed, the hoods never really fit just right.

  101. frankb4545 on Sun, 18th Oct 2009 2:44 am
  102. witch is the best handling,performance,comfort, etc camaro ss vs mustang gt

  103. ScarFace on Wed, 4th Nov 2009 4:04 am
  104. ******It is so sad that the New CamaroTransformer edition cannot actually transform for real cause i’ll let all of thoses bast*** of mustang loosers pass in front of my camaro transform kick there pony ass re-transform and get in front again hahaha that would feel so good…And please don’t go and post has me with my name tag and say stupid things, thinking the others will bite on it cause you will just proove me right that your just a bunch of pathetic moroons who can’t accept defeat and i’ll never take back what i said mustang sucks…

    Hey pathetic ford guy’s go check out that video of the HPE650 camaro vs your stupid supersnake mustang vs challenger on youtube and try to come here and flap you mouth again without knowing that your just a stupid band of bad lossers morons…you all talk about mod this and mod that and the camaro as more hp then the gt bla bla bla…got there and have a look of the 3 cars all mods up and test on track no one can say anything this time they are all modify so stop crying ford baby’s and even better to shut your mouth up the supersnake has more hp the the camaro test on the same dyno and still smoke your fuc*** slippering ass retarded differential mustang on both tracks and 1/4 mile.

    And for that guy who said that the camaro should do better in 0-60 cause it have 100 more hp then the gt then if i follow your thinking a 700hp-800hp car should do a 0-60 in like ”-2.0 second” stupid dumb ass then a 1/4mile race car should do it in -5.0 second since it as 1000hp and more PFFFF stupid mustang addict you have never notice that at a certain time it takes almost a miracle to make a car go 1/10 of second faster on a 0-60 there are limits in motor technologie you know we are talking of high tech car here…and yeah your all a band of morons paying for a mustang GT when you can get the sam or better with the V6 camaro.

    And honestly just look at this camaro…first place far in front of this crying puppy eyes looking mustang isn’t it the most beautiful thing you have seen from years…all this frustration and hate is because deeply in you you are sick of yourself getting attracted by the camaro

    Remember the supersnake has like 15 or more hp then the camaro so it is just another proof that hp is not all in a cars like most of the little nerds who post here think, they just look at the hp of cars on google and say that a car is better then another one pffff most of them has never put there monkey ass in a muscle car so…for exemple the corvette can beat so many car who got more hp, because of the weight…or some car beat others because of a better transmision or gear ratio and the most important the driver.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoKRbBfXo1M&feature=player_embedded
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UskMEV0Z4Ys&feature=player_embedded

    Check thoses 2 video by motor trend and enjoyed ;)

    Power to the Chevy Guy’s

  105. ScarFace on Wed, 4th Nov 2009 4:12 am
  106. ******It is so sad that the New CamaroTransformer edition cannot actually transform for real cause i’ll let all of thoses b****** of mustang loosers pass in front of my camaro transform kick there pony ass re-transform and get in front again hahaha that would feel so good…And please don’t go and post has me with my name tag and say stupid things, thinking the others will bite on it cause you will just proove me right that your just a bunch of pathetic morons who can’t accept defeat and i’ll never take back what i said mustang sucks…

    Hey pathetic ford guy’s go check out that video of the HPE650 camaro vs your stupid supersnake mustang vs challenger on youtube and try to come here and flap you mouth again without knowing that your just a stupid band of bad lossers morons…you all talk about mod this and mod that and the camaro as more hp then the gt bla bla bla…got there and have a look of the 3 cars all mods up and test on track no one can say anything this time they are all modify so stop crying like baby’s and even better to shut your mouth up the supersnake has more hp the the camaro test on the same dyno and still smoke your fuc*** slippering ass retarded differential mustang on both tracks and 1/4 mile.

    And for that guy who said that the camaro should do better in 0-60 cause it have 100 more hp then the gt then if i follow your thinking a 700hp-800hp car should do a 0-60 in like ”-2.0 second” stupid dumb *** then a 1/4mile race car should do it in -5.0 second since it as 1000hp and more PFFFF stupid mustang addict you have never notice that at a certain time it takes almost a miracle to make a car go 1/10 of second faster on a 0-60 there are limits in motor technologie you know we are talking of high tech car here…and yeah your all a band of morons paying for a mustang GT when you can get the sam or better with the V6 camaro.

    And honestly just look at this camaro flying first place, far in front of this crying puppy eyes looking mustang, isn’t it the most beautiful thing you have seen from years…all this frustration and hate is because deeply in you you are sick of yourself getting attracted by the camaro

    Remember the supersnake has like 15 or more hp then the camaro so it is just another proof that hp is not all in a cars like most of the little nerds who post here think, they just look at the hp of cars on google and say that a car is better then another one pffff most of them has never put there monkey a** in a muscle car so…for exemple the corvette can beat so many car who got more hp, because of the weight…or some car beat others because of a better transmision or gear ratio and the most important the driver.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoKRbBfXo1M&feature=player_embedded
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UskMEV0Z4Ys&feature=player_embedded

    Check thoses 2 video by motor trend and enjoyed ;)

    Power to the Chevy Guy’s

  107. decayed on Fri, 13th Nov 2009 9:05 pm
  108. If I could afford just one of these cars, I’d take it. Don’t care which, all would be better than my 93 GMC Sonoma.

  109. Joe on Thu, 19th Nov 2009 11:43 pm
  110. You know, It’s funny. I’ve been going to the drags for 10 years now, and i shure am seeing a trend. Can any body guess what it is?!?!?! A Sh!t load of……………. you guessed it, MUSTANGS! More and More, and they are getting VERY FAST and DOMINATING with that little 4.6/5.4. Hell, even all the CHEVY guyes are now racing the Mod motor mustangs. I see a trend, and I’m shure it will continue when GM goes belly up for good!

    And for the gye that said ford was sandbaggin on the 03/04 Cobra #’s, Not true. there were many dyno test to prove the crank HP rating of 390 from the factory. Just admit it that cobra was a bad AS$ car. Exhaust, pulley change and a tune and you were opening the 600 RWHP Door! Thats impressive! I dont care who you are or what you love.

    Also, did you know that the the first 07 GT 500 with 500HP is the same motor (inside and out)as in the 2010 GT 500 with 40 more HP!!! all that changed is the tune for the extra power. Do you think all these company’s are leaving LOTS of power on the table for the sake of fuel milage and emissions. You bet!

  111. Madlock on Mon, 23rd Nov 2009 11:13 pm
  112. How on earth anyone could describe the Camaro’s interior as being “higher quality” than the Mustang or “well executed” is a mystery. It’s a collection of tinny and cheap plastic that’s overstyled to the point of being cumbersome. And while panel fitment may be a bit inconsistent for the Mustang, those are matters that can be easily adjusted and resolved at no cost. Good luck trying to replace the Hot Wheels interior of the Camaro.

  113. Big E on Tue, 24th Nov 2009 10:37 am
  114. Looks like the people are voting with their wallets. For the 5th straight month Camaro’s have outsold Mustangs. October’s numbers are 8082 Camaro sales vs 4789 Mustangs. Just wait till the convertibles and the Z28 hit the market!

  115. Shift_ on Wed, 25th Nov 2009 6:22 pm
  116. You guys really need to look at the facts and not just resort to name calling.

    saying “yeah but i can mod the mustang to be faster” is a deadend subject, you can mod both and your going to see better results from modding a 6.2 over a 4.6, that 6.2 has a pretty lame and lazy cam in it with AWESOME heads, cam swap will net ALOT of power, more then so on a 4.6

    Do you really think that 3v sohc v8 is easier to work on then a pushrod v8?

    yeah, its 300lbs more. thats the price you pay for a better built car with higher quality materials. you cant argue with that, also part of the reason it costs more, which is why it also needs a bigger engine.

    13.5 vs 13.0 is not as relevant as the 111mph trap of the camaro and only 104mph of the mustang. So the mustang got a better launch, maybe he shifted quicker, TRAP SPEED is the indication of speed. Trust me, there’s plenty of room for a big ass tire under the rear of the Camaro so traction is not a huge issue with one modded, if you do it correctly. 325 wide sticky tires will do just that, stick. Like said, the camaro will pull like a freight train on that mustang if both launch the same, thats a mid to high 12 second trap speed.

    Mustang is a cheaper made, less powerful car that costs less.

    and about the vettes and supersnakes, theZR1 will own a supersnake in all performance categories. ZR1 is a supercar, supersnake is a souped up pony car.

    Mustangs are nice, but there is a reason why the camaro costs more. Dont take into consideration the dealers asking 7k over invoice. Its an anticipated car that was just released, same thing happened a little with the new mustang. Hell, even the PT cruiser demanded a big premium over msrp at one time.

  117. Crackhead on Tue, 22nd Dec 2009 5:31 pm
  118. Too bad jeeps are faster. Check out the Jeep srt8 henessey twin turo. It pumps out 800 horses and makes for a 2.9 seconds 0-60 time.

  119. Dale1 on Wed, 30th Dec 2009 4:51 pm
  120. I think the Mustand being only 2 tenths of a second slower than the camaro with a much better smaller engine is the more impressive car. I parked my 07 Mustang next to a new Camaro and the Mustang looks better. The Camaro is too big. The only reason the Camaros are out selling the Mustangs is all the Mustang lovers already have a Mustang and are not going to replace them until they are paid off. The Camaro lovers are buying camaros just because they had nothing to buy the last few years. Remember the Mustangs are rated more reliable as are most Fords over GM and the Camaros copied the Mustangs. I like Fords because they didn’t have to steal money from the tax payers to stay in business. Also Ford is making a profit and GM still lost almost $1 billion last quarter so who cares if their car is .2 seconds faster in the quater. lol

  121. Dale1 on Wed, 30th Dec 2009 4:59 pm
  122. Just because a car is heavier does not mean its a better built car. You have no idea what you are talking about. The Mustang is considered more reliable than a Camaro. Look at the issues with the new Camaro already. The Mustang is lighter because its a smaller car. The Camaro is ugly and a complete copy cat of the Mustang. The Camaro sales will peak once all the GM lovers buy their new Camaro. I don’t hate the Camaro at all but I would never own a car with a 6.2 liter engine that can barely beat a car with a 4.6 liter engine. The Mustang only has to get 20 more HP to beat your beloved Camaro because of the weight difference. Once the 412 HP Mustang comes out it will blow the doors off the Camaro but who cares since i don’t race my car anyway. The .2 seconds difference doesn’t keep me from having just as much fun in my Mustang and it looks a lot better.

  123. Dale1 on Wed, 30th Dec 2009 5:03 pm
  124. I can’t beleive the Camaro people are a bunch or redneck hillbillies. do you actually think us Mustang lovers care if you can barely beat a Mustang in a race. How many of your race your $30K car? I wouldn’t purchase a used Camaro of Mustang from anybody under the age of 40. I hate to tell all you GM lovers that GM are not rated as high as Fords and haven’t been for a while especially chevys. I forgot most of you can’t read, lol.

  125. danny 23 on Tue, 5th Jan 2010 11:20 am
  126. umm…. excuse me dale 1 or wat eva what da hell iz ur problem chevys are the best they are better than fords an d mustangs are good but cameros are more stylish and are wayyyy better than mustangs so if u dont no wat ur talking bout then just shut the hell up dumb ass!!!!!

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